Tuesday, July 16, 2019

Re: Clayton Diving Club - July mtg minutes

The following is a link to the Thousand Islands Life magazine article on the NOAA proposed Sanctuary.

Many thanks to Bob Sherwood/All About Scuba,  Warren Lo and Gerry Wall for their exceptional photos.

https://thousandislandslife.com/noaas-proposed-lake-ontario-national-marine-sanctuary/

More comments on the proposed Lake Ontario Marine Sanctuary

From Jim Kennard


Minimal Benefits for a Federally Funded Lake Ontario NOAA Marine Sanctuary
There are areas of the country where a NOAA marine sanctuary has provided a benefit via increased recreational activities and tourism due to unique opportunities that exist in those areas, but these do not apply to the proposed Lake Ontario Marine Sanctuary.
For the past 45 years our shipwreck discovery team has located 15 of the 21 shipwrecks described in the proposed Lake Ontario Marine Sanctuary. We have thoroughly researched the 47 potential submerged resources and found that over 50% were incorrectly reported. In May 2019 the National Museum of the Great Lakes published my book Shipwrecks of Lake Ontario – A Journey of Discovery which details the discoveries along with the historical research and imagery of all 21 shipwrecks listed in the proposed area. Listed below are my reasons why I believe there are minimal benefits for federally funding the proposed Lake Ontario NOAA Marine Sanctuary based on my knowledge of the shipwrecks that exist in the proposed area and the general public interest that I have observed,
  • Minimal recreational diving opportunities
  • No shipwreck observation opportunities by the public
  • Potential submerged resources have been grossly overstated
  • Federal and State laws already protect shipwrecks in New York State waters
  • Monitoring shipwrecks without being able to stop the buildup of quagga muscles – A waste of funding
  • Research, documentation, and imagery is published in Shipwrecks of Lake Ontario
  • HMS Ontario is a war grave, and is not located in Lake Ontario eastern basin – do not include
  • Several local museums currently have shipwreck displays for their area
  • A centralized shipwreck facility could pull public interest away from visits to other towns
  • General public interest today in shipwreck presentations is declining
  • Recommendation: Individual townships promote the history of ships wrecked off their shores
Minimal recreation diving opportunities
There are only 6 recreational diving (limit of 130 feet) opportunities off the southern shore of Lake Ontario. Among those the only real shipwreck of historic interest is the schooner St. Peter off Pultneyville. There is very little remaining of the steamer David Mills except ribs and a boiler near Oswego on Ford Shoals. Two of the other wrecks, a house boat and tugboat, are totally smashed up. The tug Cormorant and overturned USCG cable barge are post 1950’s wrecks. The remaining 15 shipwrecks in the proposed marine sanctuary, which our team discovered, are way beyond the recreational diving limits. The recreational diveable wrecks that are that exist in the northern area of the proposed preserve are far from land and not economically worthwhile for dive boat charters operating in the St. Lawrence River.

Sunday, July 14, 2019

Clayton Diving Club - July mtg minutes

The meeting was opened by club president Dennis McCarthy at 5:30 pm on July 11.  In attendance were Joe Dudiak, Ken Kozin, Carol Kozin, Kathi McCarthy, Dennis McCarthy, Diane Hammond, John Krake and Dick Bleier. 
 
-      Treasurer report:  
Ken Kozin reported that the current balance for the club is at $606.21, which includes $231.15 for the mooring fund. 

  • Secretary report:
Joe Dudiak reported that the minutes from the May meeting were sent to all active members via email and was posted on the club website.  The minutes were then accepted.  Joe also reported that Edwin Hammond sent a donation of $100 for the mooring fund in honor of his brother Bill Hammond.  A thank-you note from the club was sent to Edwin.   The club also received a thank-you note from the Alexandria Bay Chamber of Commerce for the club’s participation in their clean-up day.  Six divers and two deck hands were there to assist in the clean-up around the village dock. 

  • Old Business
Dennis McCarthy reported that he sent a letter to NOAA expressing the club’s views of the proposal for a National Marine Sanctuary on Lake Ontario.  Dennis received input from various members and incorporated the changes to his draft.  The letter can be viewed at

  • Dennis also reported that he sent a more generic version of the letter to the 1000 Island Life Magazine.  
  • Ken Kozin reported that the mooring buoy for the shipwreck Keystorm has not yet been placed for this dive season.  Ken, Joe Dudiak, and Skip Couch then scheduled to place the buoy on Tuesday, July 16 at 9:00. 
  • New Business
  • A club dive to create a 3D video of the Maggie L or the Grandview is scheduled for July 29 at 8:00 AM.  Dennis & Kathi McCarthy will brief the divers on the technique to take the video prior to the dive.  Any diver who would like to participate should contact Ken Kozin at 315-286-4352.
  • TI Museum Events:
History at Noon  -Wednesday, July 24 – History at Noon with Dennis McCarthy. Dennis will present a program on the Mysteries of the North Bay Carleton Island shipwreck.
Sunset History Boat Cruise – Wednesday, July 24 – Carleton Island Tour – Boat will head towards Cape Vincent to tour around historic Carleton Island, site of Fort Haldimand, a Revolutionary War fort. Dennis McCarthy will be on the cruise to relate the history of the island, the people and events that took place there, including Edward Wyckoff’s construction of a large villa, the ruins of which still stand. Tickets are $32 per person. Tour leaves the dock at 5:00. Reservations are required and space is limited.
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  • The meeting was adjourned at 6:35 by president Dennis McCarthy.  

Reminder:  The membership dues for the 2019 dive season is now due.  A release form needs to be submitted each year.  The form and mailing address can be found on the website at https://claytondivingclub.blogspot.com/p/join-us.html


Tuesday, July 9, 2019

Friday, June 28, 2019

Clayton Diving Club - July meeting

The next Clayton Diving Club meeting is scheduled for Thursday July 11 5:30-6:45 pm at the Clayton Hawn Library, 220 John St, Clayton.

 

Saturday, June 22, 2019

Clayton Diving Club - NOAA marine sanctuary for Lake Ontario

A special meeting was held by the Clayton Diving Club on Thursday, June 20 at the Cape Vincent Library to discuss  NOAA’s proposed national marine sanctuary in Lake Ontario.  In attendance were Dennis and Kathi McCarthy, Diane Hammond, Ken & Carol Kozin, Dick Bleier, Ken Knapp, Bruce Rippeteau, John Krake and Joe Dudiak.

 

A number of the members attended a special meeting with NOAA representatives in order to better understand the proposal and to provide valuable input to their draft.  There was much discussion from those attending members who provided unique insight into the existing proposed area as well as the potential to an expanded area to include the 1000 Island region.  Some of the significant benefits discussed were the following:

 

  • Continue to develop and expand the shipwreck buoy program
  • Provide for the maintenance and support of the club’s existing shipwreck buoys
  • Expand on the effort to protect and monitor the shipwrecks
  • Possible clean-up of oil contamination from existing wrecks (i.e., America, Jodery)

 

Some of the challenges mentioned would be the following:

 

  • Unique to New York, land owner boundaries that expand beyond high water mark into the river
  • Resolving existing responsibilities with various state agencies (i.e., DEC, Office of General Services, NYS Parks & Recreation, etc)

 

After much discussion, it was unanimously agreed that the Clayton Diving Club should provide a formal comment to the NOAA proposal.  Dennis McCarthy agreed to draft the comment.   All members of the club are urged to review the proposal and provide relevant feedback to NOAA.   The proposal can be viewed at https://nominate.noaa.gov/media/documents/lake_ontario_nms_nomination_appendix_011717.pdf and any feedback can be submitted to https://www.regulations.gov  (use docket number NOAA-NOS-2019-0032) 

 

Saturday, June 15, 2019

Fwd: Clayton Diving Club - meeting notice

Clayton Diving Club is having a special meeting on Thursday June 20, 2019 at 6-8 pm to review the NOAA public meeting on the proposed Lake Ontario marine sanctuary. https://sanctuaries.noaa.gov/lake-ontario/

The meeting will be held at the Community Room of the Cape Vincent Library at 157 Real St.

The goal of the meeting will be to produce a club public comment to be posted on the Federal eRulemaking Portal and to encourage individual members to comment also.

 

Wednesday, June 5, 2019

Frequently Asked Questions

We have been provided a link to a NOAA site that provides some background answers:



  • What is the history of the process for designating a sanctuary in Wisconsin, and how has NOAA engaged the state and public?
  • What is happening now and whats are the next steps in the designation process?
  • If designated, how would NOAA engage the state and the public in sanctuary management?
  • Why is the Ordinary High Water (OHWM) mark being considered as the sanctuary's landward boundary?
  • Would sanctuary designation impact riparian rights and state sovereignty?
  • Will the designation impact commercial shipping activities?
  • Will the sanctuary impact commercial or recreational fishing?
  • What are the anticipated costs associated with the sanctuary?

Sunday, June 2, 2019

Information that has been forwarded to the Clayton Dive Club in regards to the proposed national marine sanctuary in Lake Ontario



ref "the NOAA proposed national marine sanctuary in Lake Ontario.  https://sanctuaries.noaa.gov/lake-ontario/  The proposal would include the Village of Cape Vincent and all waters from there to the town of lime. "

Ref: concerns as stated in the Wisconsin  NOAA proposed preserve of "The addition of a new level of government for citizens to petition for permits and certifications for normal use of Lake Michigan is too much of a trade off for the negligible benefit to protecting shipwrecks,"
Below are some links to the public meetings that were held about the Wisconsin Marine Sanctuary that is similar to the one proposed for Lake Ontario that includes the village of Cape Vincent.

The sanctuary's boundary is the high water mark. This appears to have issues with existing  riparian rights of land owners and underwater property.

These are not hi-quality but they show some of the issues.    The best one to view is Part # 13:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs92A0Cpl-Y   

NOAA will hold a public meeting as follows:
Watertown, New York (Jefferson County)
Date: June 13, 2019
Location: Jefferson Community College
Address: 1220 Coffeen Street, Jules Center, Room 6-002, Watertown, NY 13601
Time: 6:30-8:00 p.m.

This is from an email with links the Wisconsin Marine Sanctuary Forum –  concerned residents meeting –  Q & A
NOAA Facts Forum -

Part # 13:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs92A0Cpl-Y                Property issues discussion









Tuesday, May 28, 2019

Clayton Diving Club - May meeting minutes

The meeting was opened by club president Dennis McCarthy at 5:30 pm on May 9.  In attendance were Joe Dudiak, Ken Kozin, Kathi McCarthy, Dennis McCarthy, John Krake and Charlie Stage. 

 

 

-      The International Safety Fair:  

The Clayton Diving Club will host a table at the Safety Fair to be held on Saturday, June 1.  The Fair will run from 11:00 – 2:00 at the Pool House at the Bonnie Castle Resort.  The CDC will have examples of dive flags, handouts of their Diver Flag Awareness poster, examples of a shipwreck buoy and many other items.

 

  • Shipwreck Buoys

Ken Kozin scheduled the installation of the shipwreck buoys for Friday, May 17 at 9:00.  John Krake and Joe Dudiak will assist in that effort.

 

  • Divers Access Dock

Charlie Stage reported that the Divers Access Dock has not yet been placed in the river.  He will contact the Village to get a potential date for this year’s dive season. 

 

  • The Village of Alex Bay is planning a Spring cleanup dive around the  village docks on Saturday, June 8.   Members of the Clayton Diving Club are invited to assist.  The meeting place is at the main village dock between ‘Top of the Bay’ and Coleman’s ‘Dock of the Bay’ at the end of James St.  Divers should arrive before 9:00 AM and be ready to enter the water by 9:30.  The village will provide volunteers to assist on shore.  Lunch will also be provided.   If you are interested, please contact Pete Whitmore at 315-783-9990 or at email subman4050@aol.com to let him know you are planning to attend.   If you have an onion bag it is suggested you bring it to collect trash. 

 

  • Dennis McCarthy provided a 3D model from a gopro video provided by Bob Sherwood of a sunken power boat off of Bonnie Castle.   There was discussion regarding a club dive to film the Maggie L shipwreck in order to prepare a 3D model of that wreck.  We would need teams of divers to film the various views of the wreck.  Dennis will provide instructions on how to take the videos prior to diving.  Anyone interested should contact Dennis at srhf@ix.netcom.com.  A date for the dive will then be determined. 

 

 

  • There was much discussion regarding the proposal to make a section of Lake Ontario a National Marine Sanctuary.  The sanctuary would include Lake Ontario from Rochester into the St. Lawrence river near Cape Vincent.  NOAA is asking for public comment and is holding public meetings regarding their proposal.  A local meeting is scheduled on June 13 in Watertown  at the Jefferson Community College at 6:30 PM.   More information can be obtained at https://sanctuaries.noaa.gov/lake-ontario/ 

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  • The meeting was adjourned at 6:45 by president Dennis McCarthy.

 

 

Reminder:  The membership dues for the 2019 dive season is now due.  A release form needs to be submitted each year.  The form and mailing address can be found on the website at https://claytondivingclub.blogspot.com/p/join-us.html

 

 

Wednesday, May 8, 2019

Zephyr Free image of Boat off Alex Bay

Quick 3d image of a boat off Alexandria Bay from video of a single pass
over the wreck by Bob Sherwood.


Saturday, May 4, 2019

Clayton Diving Club Status Informational and planning Meeting

Clayton Diving Club Status Informational and  planning Meeting Thursday May 9th from 5:30 to 6:45 pm in the downstairs conference room at the Hawn Memorial Library, 220 John St, Clayton, NY .

1) Dennis will present an update on the possibility of NOAA designating a national marine sanctuary in eastern Lake Ontario to protect historically significant shipwrecks and related maritime heritage resources. (This area is most of the eastern end of Lake Ontario including the water area from the Village to the Town of Lime)

2) The  CDC booth at the  2019 International Boating Safety event. The club has been invited by the US Coast Guard Auxiliary to participate in this  event held at Bonnie Castle on June 1 from 10-5 pm.

Members wanting to help or attend the event should attend the meeting.

3) Dennis will present the results of a 3d model from a gopro video provided by Bob Sherwood of a sunken power boat of Bonnie Castle then last month.

rgds

Dennis


Thursday, April 25, 2019

Alex Bay Spring clean-up dive

The Village of Alex Bay is planning a Spring cleanup dive around the  village docks on Saturday, June 8.   Members of the Clayton Diving Club are invited to assist.  The meeting place is at the main village dock between ‘Top of the Bay’ and Coleman’s ‘Dock of the Bay’ at the end of James St.  Divers should arrive before 9:00 AM and be ready to enter the water by 9:30.  The village will provide volunteers to assist on shore.  Lunch will also be provided.   If you are interested, please contact Pete Whitmore at 315-783-9990 or at email subman4050@aol.com to let him know you are planning to attend.   If you have an onion bag it is suggested you bring it to collect trash. 

 

Saturday, April 6, 2019

Clayton Diving Club April meeting reminder


Clayton Diving Club April meeting reminder 

The Clayton Dive Club will hold their quarterly business meeting Thursday April 11, 2019 from 5:30 to 6:45 pm in the downstairs conference room at the Hawn Memorial Library, 220 John St, Clayton, NY 



As part of the meeting our VP John Krake will present an overview of the 3D workshop that he completed at this year's Beneath the Sea.  

The goal of the meeting will be to finalize the summers dives and activity schedule. If needed, an activity committee will be formed to ensure that the schedule will be finalized before the end of April.  

The January meeting notes can be reviewed at  CDC January 2019   Please review before the meeting and email any comments to diveclayton@gmail.com  before the meeting. 

Hope you can attend

Dennis, President CDC

(There will be an after meeting get together at a local restaurant.)

Sunday, March 31, 2019

April Clayton Dive Club Meeting


The  next meeting will be Thursday April 11, 2019 from 5:30 to 6:45 pm in the downstairs conference room at the Hawn Memorial Library, 220 John St., Clayton, NY 

The January meeting notes can be reviewed at  CDC January 2019




Monday, February 11, 2019

Clayton Dive club plans 3D Photogrammetry survey of “Maggie L” shipwreck located off village of Clayton.

As an extension of the club "Wreck Buoy Program", the club is going start a program to do wreck site survey of local shipwrecks. Starting with the "Maggie L" off Clayton, the club is planning a series of dives this summer. Then utilizing new open source software, underwater cameras and traditional non-contact survey techniques we plan to produce a site map of the wreck site.  The goal of the summer project is to produce a detailed site plan to be hosted on the club web site for divers interested in visiting the site. It will also provide divers an opportunity to develop their shipwreck diving and survey skills.

In the planning stage are a pre-dive seminar, 2 to 3 survey dives and after-summer project of producing a site plan.

Keep posted more information to come.   Please post on the "Clayton Diving Club" Facebook page or email Dive Clayton <diveclayton@gmail.com> if you have any questions.

Photogrammetry is the science of making measurements from photographs. Photographs are inputted to photogrammetry and the output is typically a map, a drawing, a measurement, or a 3D model of some real-world object or scene.

 

Saturday, February 2, 2019

Clayton Dive Club activity for February 2019


History of the Clayton Dive Club
Wednesday February 6th at the Thousand Island Museum, 312 James Street Clayton
On Feb. 6, Dennis McCarthy, president of the Clayton Diving Club, along with Skip Couch, one of the founding members, will discuss the history of the Clayton Diving Club. From its origins in 1967 through today, the club continues to organize group dives, holds meetings, and participates in community efforts. Underwater enthusiasts continue to dive into the St. Lawrence River to explore the many wrecks.
This is a free program that starts promptly at 10am. Come early to find a seat
Divers Meet and Greet 2019
February 10th at O'Brien's on 226 Webb St, Clayton, NY at 1pm.  Just a get together of diver in the area.  See who is hear and what's going on.

Thursday, January 10, 2019

FW: Clayton Diving Club - January meeting minutes


Subject: Clayton Diving Club - January meeting minutes

The meeting was opened by club president Dennis McCarthy at 5:30 pm on January 10.  In attendance were Diane Hammond, Joe Dudiak, Ken Kozin, Carol Kozin, Kathi McCarthy, Dennis McCarthy, John Krake and Skip Couch.  

Secretary report:  Joe Dudiak read the minutes from the December meeting.  The minutes were then accepted as written.   

Treasurer report:  Ken Kozin reported that the current club balance is $521.21, including $131.05 in the mooring fund.   The treasury report was then accepted.   

Old Business:   

Dive Site Project 
Joe Dudiak reported that no further information was provided by the Clayton Village Board of Trustees.  The Village Planning Board has contacted the NY Office of General Services to discuss the project.  The Village will not submit the Joint Application until after the Planning Board provides their findings.   

Buoys
Ken Kozin reported on the metal buoy light cages that need to be upgraded.  Wayne Green might assist in welding the new heavy duty cages.  Ken plans to purchase the material that will be needed for the effort.  Ken also reported that the chains may need to be replaced on some of the buoys due to normal wear.  The club had purchased additional chain for the Divers Access Dock but could be used for the buoys if needed. 

Divers Access Dock
No additional information was available regarding the condition of the Divers Access Dock.   There was discussion regarding a past request by the Village to assist in blocking the sewer outflow at the Frink Park dock so that swimmers cannot enter.  It was reported that the Village had purchased a metal grate to be placed over the opening.  Divers from the club are willing to assist in placement of the barrier.  

New club Website
Dennis McCarthy reported that the new website is now functional.   Official club documents, such as the By-laws as well as other documents, need to be resurrected and then placed on the website for safe storage.  There was also discussion regarding the technical connectivity of the new website to the existing website name versus purchasing a new club website URL.  Dennis will discuss the options with Lisa Goodlin.  Lisa has offered to fund and maintain the existing URLs (claytondivingclub.com, claytondivingclub.net) and then to link them to the new website.   

2019 International Boating Safety event
The club has been invited by the US Coast Guard Auxiliary to participate in this event held at Bonnie Castle on June 1 from 10-5 pm.  The club has agreed to provide a booth to promote dive flag awareness and how it pertains to boating safety, to promote the local shipwrecks of the St. Lawrence River and to help promote our Clayton Diving Club.     

New Business

Clayton Chamber of Commerce: Dennis McCarthy reported that the Clayton Chamber of Commerce website has included some old pictures of the Clayton Diving Club and they would like to promote the club and its activities.  Ideally they could link to the new club website for current information.  Additional discussion with the Chamber needs to take place and Dennis will pursue it. 

The 2019 meeting/activity schedule was discussed with the following ideas drafted:

February – Area dive dinner Sunday, Feb. 10th.  More correspondence will be provided for this event.  The history of the Clayton Diving Club will be presented by Skip Couch at the Thousand Island museum Feb 6th at 10am.

March – club activities; Boston Sea Rovers March 8;  Beneath the Sea March 29-31

April – club business meeting TBD; CNY Dive Show April 28; Clayton Boat Show

May – club activities; install shipwreck buoys for the dive season May 16-18

June – club activities; club booth at the 2019 International Boaters Safety Event at
Bonnie Castle.  Club dive to begin the project survey the shipwreck the Maggie L.


July – club activities; Possible club dive as an extension of the Maggie L survey

August – Club picnic

September – club business meeting TBD; Annual Clean-up dive of the Clayton waterfront

October – club activities; Remove club buoys for the season;  U/W Pumpkin Carving.

November – club business meeting TBD;

December – Participate in the Clayton Christmas Parade; annual club Christmas party.  


The February scuba diver lunch  will be at a local restaurant on Sunday, February 10 at 1 PM and will include club members as well as other local divers.  More detailed information will be sent in an additional email.   

The meeting was adjourned at 6:40 by president Dennis McCarthy.

Reminder:  The membership dues for the 2019 dive season is now due.  A release form needs to be submitted each year.  The form and mailing address can be found on the website at Join

Saturday, January 5, 2019

Fwd: Clayton Diving Club - January meeting reminder

Subject:     Clayton Diving Club - January meeting reminder

From:             Joe dudiak <jdudiak@twcny.rr.com>


The January meeting will be held on Thursday, January 10 at 5:30 PM and will be held at the Hawn Memorial Library in Clayton.  The library is located at 220 John St, Clayton and we will be using the downstairs conference room